- Accept the situation. So guild A is focused on EndgameA, guild D on EndgameD. Accept that guild A will *never* actually get to EngameD. Make the transition between guilds as painless as possible.

- Provide tangible benefits to the guild as an entity — while you’re a member of the guild you can share in the benefits, once you quit you lose the benefits. For example allow the guild to have “ownership” of some items. Those items may be loaned out to a player but they must be returned before the player can /gquit.

We’ve found that sometimes, even folks who have been with the guild a long time feel compelled to move on once they get a taste of more progressed raiding, and it’s hard to fault them for this. I don’t think they should be penalized for wanting to play a different game than the rest of us. In fact, I appreciate them moving on, rather than trying to change who we are as a guild. Sure, I’m bummed when a friend leaves, but I’d be even more bummed if we ended up accumulating a lot of these people (because they didn’t want to lose their epics, as in Tobold’s proposed solution), and it changed the flavor of the guild itself. As it is, this happens anyway. I’ve heard so many folks say, “I joined this guild to hang out with my friends, but now suddenly, we’re a raiding guild and I hate it,” or “Most everyone in the guild is trying hard to progress, but we’ve got a few slackers that can never seem to gather their consumables on time or make enough time to raid.”

Should we really penalize people for moving on to a guild with goals closer to their own? Is the real objection how the person leaving makes their departure, or the fact that they got the final piece of gear from Kara they needed before moving on? And how much should that matter to the social, casual guild anyway? After all, the loot will drop again.

I do agree that any suggestion is better than no suggestion though. Very interesting discussion.